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2008-04-15 23:57:56
#1
Never seen this before!!
I change the rear brake pads on my B13 today and I noticed on the inside pad of both sides the pad was worn down on one side more than the other there for creating like a wedge type, probably 1/4" of pad on one side of the oad and 1/8" on the other and it was on both sides, anyone ever see this or know why it's caused. I know both calipers are good.
2008-04-16 03:55:16
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Either the calipers are froze, the pad/s were rusted/seized in place, or it can be from caliper design.
2008-04-16 04:07:27
#3
It is completely normal.

When using most conventional brake pads you get a taper, it is caused by the front of the pad giving off "dust" which is then squeezed between the rotor and pad. This will work as a lubricant and cause the rear of the pad to not wear as much.

It can be reduced with aftermarket, multiple piston calipers, and even better pads equipped with designs to help relieve this from occurring. This is also one of the FEW genuine advantages to slotted rotors, the slots can act as a "squeegee" and help to collect some of the dust and clear the pad, however it is generally considered an unequal trade off. And yes, drilled rotors are still stupid so don't get those...

Not a huge deal, replace them and call it good. Try and buy some better pads

Dudeman
2008-04-16 10:13:38
#4
That makes sense I guess, thx.
2008-04-16 22:35:33
#5
Rebuild that crap!
No disrespect dudeman, but without pictures, how can you tell him this is "normal"?

I would recommend the brake pistons are not frozen or pitted and be certain the studs are tightened down correctly, i.e. mount bolts, etc. Sometimes the bracket bolts get loose or are broken and still look OK!

This means removing the calipers, mounts, lines; and having a close look at what's going on in there.

If the caliper pins are bent, rusted, full of crud, un-lubricated with high temperature grease, or had broken rubber pin-boots; the caliper could not slide the assembly, PROPERLY.

The piston may NOT be stuck or pitted, however it would push only 1 side of the pad to the disk, wearing the pads badly in the shape of the restricted pin movement, or as a wedge. (The un-stuck side, naturally would wear first).

Bent or frozen slide-pins will do this, especially if the calipers have been repeatedly pushed back. (Un-bent brake bolts, (or pins), lubed with NAPA High temp BRAKE GREASE, protected by new rubber seals would be cool, right?)

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I would recommend you rebuild / replace the calipers, just to be sure it is safe, unless they have only been re-padded 1 time. You can usually get 1 push out of the fronts, as they wear faster. Rears might be bad the first re-build, as they wear slowly and get crud int the system over time.

There is no reason to grind the disks, "IF they are within spec".
Dial indicator time. Measure it to be safe.

Swedish engineers agree, there is no reason to re-grind a rotor surface which is not warped, grooved or gouged. (Only US mnfgr's "require' this stupidity, go figure). Ask any Volvo repairman; Volvo does not recommend re-surfacing, as it is a waste of money and grinds good surfaces, for nothing. Replacement pads re-grind the disk true, just as well as a machine tool, unless they are warped or show signs of checking. You must measure rotor thickness, to be sure. (Check the knowledge-base for the correct spec.)

You'll know it, if you see checking. It looks like the disk is cracked or was quenched while very hot, in cold water. They may look blue, from the uneven wear, as well. Blue / Orange coloring is bad and the steel might be tempered and will wear out new pads fast or squeal.

You can push back the pistons once, maybe twice if they are OEM or rebuilt by a quality American / Japanese / German manufacturer, (Maybe Mexico) and only if they did NOT grind into the disk.

Unless you have personally done all the repairs yourself and know which manufacturer the calipers are from, you're going to want new OEM or better parts that MATCH.

Not all discount auto suppliers sell OEM spec brake parts. in fact, it is getting worse.

The quality and piston seals / tolerances can be thousandths off spec., differing widely between manufacturers, (and that's why some suppliers do not charge for core, ((too far to ship back)), and why the big brakes are a better choice than after-market slugs from China).

By using one new caliper, from one mnfgr. and another from somewhere else, your braking may be incorrectly proportioned and cause uneven pad-wear, too. Heck, we all have had to perform a quick fix to save a buck, but make sure you understand the consequences.

Metallurgy, nickel / carbon content, makes a huge difference as to how the calipers and rotors perform and last.

Cheap rotors warp really fast, during the first rain storm, on a day you have been driving hard and hit 1 single puddle. All the money you save, is gone when they warp and glaze, using cheap parts. (Yes, the expensive ones can glaze too).


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If it looks like something is "very wrong", don't take a chance with your life or someone else's. With brakes, you get what you pay for. Spend the time to research and find quality parts and you'll often save yourself the hassle of doing the job twice.

If you are building a high HP engine, don't consider bolting on, one single part until the brakes are 100% safe. Stopping=good!
2008-04-17 00:49:52
#6
Thanks for being respectful. Yes you could be %100 correct with every single on of your points, i agree with you completely. However I will say, if your brake system is in fact "to spec" and nothing is bent or worn past minimum requirements, a tapered pad ware is normal. Check everything over, and get some decent quality brake parts, if everything looks good, you can rest assured your brakes are in good working order.

I by no means have even a moderate amount of brake expereince, however i can tell you that most pads ware unevenly to a degree, and with cheap pads the uneven ware can be so much more severe.

I have witnessed this on my own vehicle, the racing vehicles here at school, and on many other cars i have witnessed the pads coming off of.

Just trying to explain myself, but you do what YOU have to to feel safe about your brakes! You will love them when they are in tip top shape!

That said, has anyone else noticed tapered ware before? have you Moto?

Dudeman
2008-04-17 01:17:11
#7
Hey thanks guys for your input, lemme tell you exactly what i did...

1. Inspected ALL parts and nothing seemed defective, rusted, damaged or broken.
2. Throughly cleaned all working/moving parts because I noticed an excessive amount of brake dust built up compacted in or around the caliper bolts and bracket so it lead me to believe that the compacted brake dust may have been causing the caliper to grab more on one side than the other.
3. Lastly what I did was put the car up on 4 jackstands and had my buddy get in and start the car and run through all the gears and apply the brakes after accelrating past 75 miles per hour. While he did that I was in the back observing as the brakes were applied and I could clearly see the calipers grabbing the rotors evenly on both sides.

This convinced me of the lack of a brake problem. What seemed a little odd to me was the actual placement of how the brake caliper mounts to the vehicle. It said to me that the law of inertia would cause more stopping pressure on one side of the brake pad rather then the other. This uneven wear occured on both sides of the car and I am terribly sorry for the lack of pictures but it is quite easy to imagine a brake pad worn more on one side then the other.

I went to the Nissan dealership and purchased OEM rotors and pads to eliminate the possibility of defective or weak quality parts.

Guys, the car stops like a champ. I ran it down a long back road at over 100 miles an hour and slammed on the brakes and let go of the wheel and it stopped effectively and evenly without wandering or pulling. I am going to drive the car as I normally do for about another month and then I will remove the brakes from the rear again and check for uneven wear. Thanks again for your input and I will keep you updated.
Any other input you guys have please feel free, I appreciate al the great advice I get off the forum.
Rob
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