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2011-02-23 17:04:27
#31
Originally Posted by Boostlee
Hey Veilside, can you explain with well defined reasons as to why you do not like the AGXs?? (not being cynical, I just truly want an definitive answer)

You can pm me, since I do not want to derail this thread (unless the OP wants to hear as well...........)


I want to hear this, permission granted.
2011-02-23 17:50:04
#32
Reasons I wouldn't use AGX on my own car...

Overall length-if lowered at all you will be riding the bump stops or bottoming out the shaft. There is no way to shorten the inherit design of the damper.
Adjustability-Narrow adjustability range due to needle valve design, majority of "clicks" only make real adjustments in the low to middle range. Needle valves tend be to much more inconsistent from damper to damper, and have more frequent manufacturing defects.
Stock spring-Being designed around a factory type spring does not allow you to change rate or length with the exception of the "narrow" options of the 2 decent springs on the market.

I can agree that if you feel the need to run AGX's, then the GC's would definitely be a prerequisite due to the overall length of the setup. If you are running Maxima or 86** series dampers then that is much less of a necessity.
2011-02-23 18:09:46
#33
I tend to agree with #1, the issue with overall length and the feeling of "crashing" as compared to "absorbing" bumps for any sort of "lowering". And this cannot be fixed with stiffer springs as it shortens the life of the shock itself. I had 350 and 400 springs at one point which seemed appropriate, but the car was not lowered significantly.

Adjustability is null for me at this point, so no 1st hand experience on that issue

For both my AGX setups, they had GC coilovers on them, so I cannot comment on being designed around a stock spring

I currently DO NOT LIKE the AGX setup for this (or these) very reason(s)...........But I was curious as to other's opinion.

Sent another PM Veilside
2011-02-24 06:54:39
#34
I'm not a big fan of putting GC coils on them, since they are already severely limited stroke when lowered. All you will do is exacerbate the issue.

Originally Posted by Boostlee
I tend to agree with #1, the issue with overall length and the feeling of "crashing" as compared to "absorbing" bumps for any sort of "lowering". And this cannot be fixed with stiffer springs as it shortens the life of the shock itself. I had 350 and 400 springs at one point which seemed appropriate, but the car was not lowered significantly.

Adjustability is null for me at this point, so no 1st hand experience on that issue

For both my AGX setups, they had GC coilovers on them, so I cannot comment on being designed around a stock spring

I currently DO NOT LIKE the AGX setup for this (or these) very reason(s)...........But I was curious as to other's opinion.

Sent another PM Veilside
2011-02-24 12:10:53
#35
Originally Posted by veilside180sx
Reasons I wouldn't use AGX on my own car...

Overall length-if lowered at all you will be riding the bump stops or bottoming out the shaft. There is no way to shorten the inherit design of the damper.
Adjustability-Narrow adjustability range due to needle valve design, majority of "clicks" only make real adjustments in the low to middle range. Needle valves tend be to much more inconsistent from damper to damper, and have more frequent manufacturing defects.
Stock spring-Being designed around a factory type spring does not allow you to change rate or length with the exception of the "narrow" options of the 2 decent springs on the market.

I can agree that if you feel the need to run AGX's, then the GC's would definitely be a prerequisite due to the overall length of the setup. If you are running Maxima or 86** series dampers then that is much less of a necessity.


I agree to this from experience.
2011-02-24 12:19:55
#36
Well I have been riding on AGX's and RM's for well over 3 years now and I think I have bottomed out maybe 2 times and that was from hitting a small pot hole or a railroad crossing. So I don't know what you guys are talking about. Again... this is with Road Magnets not GC's.
2011-02-24 15:29:13
#37
Originally Posted by Shawn
The Tein, Cusco, Stillen...all mount below the chassis.

I know they all work with stock or direct stock replacement springs. Will they also work with coilovers?



Tein plates work with Tein coilovers. Works great at the higher ride height settings.
2011-02-24 16:38:46
#38
Originally Posted by hammerin
Tein plates work with Tein coilovers. Works great at the higher ride height settings.


They work with any other as well. The largest shaft I've seen on a coilover a damper that goes on this chassis is a 14mm threaded shaft. Tein uses a 12mm threaded shaft.

Tein and the majority of import (JDM, KDM, TDM, CDM) use an 18mm bearing. You just run a spacer to make up the difference between the shaft size and the bearing size.
2011-02-24 17:02:41
#39
Originally Posted by Shawn
The Tein, Cusco, Stillen...all mount below the chassis.

I know they all work with stock or direct stock replacement springs.


What are people using for the upper spring mount? Part of the stock pieces with spacers or something else? The reason I'm asking is because spring mounts are not included with the Tein pillowball plates. It's also not obvious in the suspension thread what to do for upper spring mounts when using stockish springs and plates. It would be more comprehensive if that was included in your write-up.

Maybe someone else can shed light on this?
2011-02-24 17:11:09
#40
Originally Posted by veilside180sx

Tein and the majority of import (JDM, KDM, TDM, CDM) use an 18mm bearing. You just run a spacer to make up the difference between the shaft size and the bearing size.


My Basics came with a special top nut (the one that screws on to the piston rod) that fills that 6mm gap. It's also somewhat long to catch the threads when the ride height is adjusted on the high side...which is nice feature..no need to compress the springs prior to assembly.
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