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2011-02-10 22:30:00
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2JRacing Panhard Rod How To (B15)
Originally Posted by smokinjoe
Not really a how to, but those of you who want a more simplistic approach to lowering the rear roll center, we offer up the secret on what to weld and were. I dont have the specs, but this should give you an idea of how to do it.

Notice the spare tire well has been removed, yours will have to be clearanced.

We will gladly install a panhard on your car for $550. The watts link will run in the upper $700s installed.

Keep in mind the panhard is asymmetrical and the watts is symmetrical. Meaning, the panhard moves through an arc, so its better for left turns than right, the watts doesnt care which way you are turning.

BOTH OPTIONS ARE A HUGE IMPROVEMENT OVER STOCK. NO MORE BINDING REAR BEAM WHERE THE REAR SPRING RATES GO TO INFINITY.











..I do not condone the use of those coilovers


2JRacing has been doing some awesome things over the past couple months, this being one of them.
2011-02-10 22:52:02
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What exactly am I looking at here? (What does this benefit?)
2011-02-11 00:24:37
#3
As many of us know the later B (B14+) chassis is plagued with suspension woes in the rear end. In addition to highly limited suspension travel we also were equipped with a rear beam (that came from factory with positive toe) and a Scott Russle link. Though suitable for the average driver on a commute it pretty much is the worse setup we could have back there from a performance standpoint. When we lower that car or pretty much start to mess with the geometry in any way we really start to jack up our roll center making the car feel more unstable and F*ing with corner characteristics. Swap over to a panhard bar (or even better a Watt's link) you are able to bring you roll center to a level that is controllable and make your rear end take corners like a champ. The car will squat instead of lift and you should, say in a track event, gain literally a second or so in every corner because of the added stability and traction.

In short it’s about one of the best things you can do for you rear end right next to getting the beam bent to zero toe.


Joe's an awesome guy, he hooked me up with a few things a needed a little bit back and I've been talking to him about getting a Watt's link on my rear end since I left for the Ice. It's the first thing I'm doing when I get back to the States.
2011-02-11 18:40:31
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Originally Posted by zer099
....The car will squat instead of lift and you should, say in a track event, gain literally a second or so in every corner because of the added stability and traction.....


So on a 10 turn course I could expect a 10 sec. gain per lap? Sounds a bit out there.
2011-02-11 19:29:08
#5
^^^ Funny statement of the year LOL!!

But back on topic....

How long will the setup take to install (if the car is dropped off, etc)?? The price seems very, very reasonable ("IF" its for a complete setup that is.............)

P.S. is there a link to the thread for more info??
2011-02-11 19:48:11
#6
Google 2JRacing and you can find their vendor area on a B15 forum, FWIW the price includes all materials and labor.
2011-02-11 20:13:09
#7
Originally Posted by Boostlee

P.S. is there a link to the thread for more info??


All B15 Models 2JRacing Panhard Rod How To - B15U.com - Nissan Sentra Forum

There you go
2011-02-11 20:33:51
#8
I'd just wait until the Watts link kit is completed.
2011-02-12 00:12:24
#9
Originally Posted by hammerin
So on a 10 turn course I could expect a 10 sec. gain per lap? Sounds a bit out there.


As always on a car forum: perhaps slightly exaggerated. The ten turns I doubt would be the same, but think of it this way: you can enter the corner far faster than you normally could and maintain a solid line throughout at high speeds and recover more quickly and easily. For a skilled driver, depending on the type of corner, one can easily gain around a second in some corners.

Joe’s times from Road Atlanta*

Before Watt’s Link: ~1:44
With Watt’s Link installed: 1:39.2

There are 12 turns at Road Atlanta, 5 of them (5 ;6 ;7; 10a; and 10b) being the more serious of the turns where a Watt’s Link on our chassis would shine.


Install is said to take 6 to 8 hours.

*= Times taken from the videos of his laps
2011-02-12 00:19:53
#10
^^^ Why are you entertaining such questions?? LOL just poking fun

(thinking aloud here)........But since a big issue is finding someone to get the rear beam bent, organizing, etc, at a rate of a little less than 300, for a few hundred more, you can redo the entire rear end!!

I think this is a great deal (I have been watching this cars developments as he piqued my interested with his BC suspension setup).

P.S. To know the product is tried and true, look them up on youtube.........They have a video with him breaking V1 of the Watts link (hence why they have an updated V2 and this is not to talk negative of the system, but just pointing out there is proper developmental conditions being carried out here..........)

Carry on

P.S. Is that the completed system?? I could be wrong, but it looks like there some missing suspension linkages??? Can someone correct my thoughts if I am incorrect please??
Last edited by Boostlee on 2011-02-12 at 00-23-47.
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