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    Default 2.3L VE Motors Build For Cheap With Mazworx Headgasket

    I got a Mazworx headgasket and it is the nicest headgasket I have ever seen. It is the only headgasket out there that can fit every form of SR20 motor. This headgasket is big enough to fit a 92mm piston.

    2.3L VE motor done for cheap. 92mm piston with 86mm crank = 2.287

    VE block sleeved and machined for $1300
    92mm 12 to 1 compression Pistons for $600
    Mazwork VE headgasket $250
    stock rods = $0 or ( Manley rods $325 )
    new bearings $200


    This motor is an over square motor. Will rev just like a standard SR motor. So with a head with valve springs and retainers, you will be able to rev to 9000 RPMs with no problem. Figure in some Kelford cams and this large bore motor should make for some fun.

    Anyway just putting out some food for thought.
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    dang we just ordered one for my 2.2L SR20 DE/VE hybrid build, im sure you have seen my thread on it, if i had known that i would have had them make the custom pistons 92mm 12:1 instead of 90mm 12:1. but either way it should make for some serious power.

    What do you think we can get out of it miko, The head has some port and polish work along with the bottom runner of the inake manifold and port matched to the head, We are using some Franklin Stage 3's to start and one of the built SR race headers from Greg V. We have BC dual valve springs with titanium retainers to rev to 9k. We will be using a calum basic for 370's @ 4bar and an safc neo to trigger the cams and fine tune on the dyno. We would like to see 245whp and around the 180-190tq range what do you think. How much more power is there from having the 2.3L bore over the 2.2L bore. Yeah that headgasket looks amazing but i didnt know it could fit a 92mm piston cuz i would have oredered a custom piston in that instead, oh well. something to always look into.

    Thanks for the good info miko.
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    When you get the headgasket and put it on the block you will see that you can go 2mm more with no problem. I just put the headgasket on my motor which is 90mm piston and 91mm crank and there was so much room for more piston.

    I was thinking the same thing as you, if I have to rebuild the motor I will be putting in 92mm pistons with my 91mm crank for a 2.419L motor.

    Anyway good luck on your build.
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    Sounds like a pretty good build miko.
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    I was just about to make a thread asking where you were. Haven't seen Miko around these parts in a while.

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    How close are you to firing up that stroker engine Andreas?

    I'm glad you didn't sell that one

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    I have the same gasket too and it is very nice like Dre said. I like that all motor setup. I think peeps would love a over square motor, imagine a 92 bore with 91 stroke...the secks!!!
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    MMMmmm Getting aroused.

    How would the 4cw hold up to the extra torque...
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbofied View Post
    MMMmmm Getting aroused.

    How would the 4cw hold up to the extra torque...
    The 4 cw crank has no problem holding up to the xtra torque and or power.

    I am not a fan of the 4 cw crank because I feel it is not good for reliable long term high reving. The 8 cw crank is more suited for a motor that you plan on reving past 7500 for an extended period of time.
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    And if you're pulling the engine apart to sleeve it anyway, you may as well do a tiny bit more work & fit an 8 cw... or a 91mm crank

    Dre... I have a SR22DE engine with the Tomei high-compression NA kit. Have you had much experience with these & which is easier, modify the DE engine to fit the VE head or Modify a VE engine to take the Tomei crank?

    I've got a spare complete VE head & a spare complete VE engine so there's a plethora of parts to build a stroker VE with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clint View Post
    And if you're pulling the engine apart to sleeve it anyway, you may as well do a tiny bit more work & fit an 8 cw... or a 91mm crank

    Dre... I have a SR22DE engine with the Tomei high-compression NA kit. Have you had much experience with these & which is easier, modify the DE engine to fit the VE head or Modify a VE engine to take the Tomei crank?

    I've got a spare complete VE head & a spare complete VE engine so there's a plethora of parts to build a stroker VE with.

    It is very easy to modify the VE block to fit the Tomei crank. 1 hours work of you and a dremel and it is done. If you have the 2.2L DE you can use it as a template to do the block work.

    If you do decide to build you a stroker VE motor, please sleeve the block and put in the bigger pistons. Please do not forget to more the pin height up 2.75mm. 2.5 mm will be the diffrence in the crank throw and the .25mm or ( 10 thousands ) will be the amount that they take off the top of the block to make it flat after sleeving it.

    If I remeber correctly, the Tomei setup is 87mm piston and 91mm crank = 2.164L or 87.5mm piston and 91mm crank = 2.188 which are both small 2.2L motor. You put in 90mm pistons you got a 2.313L which is a large 2.3L motor.
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    Hey Clint maybe just keep the 2.2L DE motor and just bulid an over bore VE motor. Seems to me to be an easier way to go. Revs like a 2L motor but moves 2.3L amount of air with a nice and safe 9000 RPM rev zone. Should be great with the Kelford cams.


    92mm piston x 86mm crank = 2.287 L

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    Sleeve block $1000
    Pistons $650
    Mazworz gasket $250
    miselaneous parts $250
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    I would love to do this Miko. But all this would be + the cost of the motor correct? Im having trouble saving up money. Its like I have a hole in my piggy bank or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
    I got a Mazworx headgasket and it is the nicest headgasket I have ever seen. It is the only headgasket out there that can fit every form of SR20 motor. This headgasket is big enough to fit a 92mm piston.

    2.3L VE motor done for cheap. 92mm piston with 86mm crank = 2.287

    VE block sleeved for $1000
    92mm 12 to 1 compression Pistons for $650
    Mazwork VE headgasket $250
    stock rods = $0
    new bearings $200


    This motor is an over square motor. Will rev just like a standard SR motor. So with a head with valve springs and retainers, you will be able to rev to 9000 RPMs with no problem. Figure in some Kelford cams and this large bore motor should make for some fun.

    Anyway just putting out some food for thought.


    This looks great for a DD, hmm I will look into this. Get Kelford cams and Freak headers. Go a step farther with ITBS and and Calum. Good stuff Dre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daxx View Post
    This looks great for a DD, hmm I will look into this. Get Kelford cams and Freak headers. Go a step farther with ITBS and and Calum. Good stuff Dre.

    I dont think the Calum ECU will work with a true open ITB setup. You will need to go stand alone. Also you will want to get every last bit of tuning from 8000-9000 RPMs which can not be done on a standard Nissan ECU.


    I run the 20V head which they dont make better springs and retainers for at the moment. Now these springs in the 20V are better than standard VE springs but I dont feel they are good enough to rev up to 9000 plus RPMs with Kelford cams. I am using the 91mm Tomei crank and keeping my RPM limit to 8250. Which should alow me to run the Kelford cams, and also a larger crank motor like mine should make alot of torque to make up for my lack or higher RPM potential.

    The 94-96 G20T gear box I also think will be a perect match for my motor as at 8250 RPMs in 3rd gear I will be able to do 112 MPH. I figure this is the MPH I will get going through the 1/4 mile. So I will be able to do the 1/4 mile in 3 gears. Should be fun.
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    Just musing here but wouldn't it be better for the non-bored guys to go with a head gasket that actually matches the bore size they have instead of leaving what would seem to be an undesired open area between the head and the block?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
    I dont think the Calum ECU will work with a true open ITB setup. You will need to go stand alone. Also you will want to get every last bit of tuning from 8000-9000 RPMs which can not be done on a standard Nissan ECU.


    I run the 20V head which they dont make better springs and retainers for at the moment. Now these springs in the 20V are better than standard VE springs but I dont feel they are good enough to rev up to 9000 plus RPMs with Kelford cams. I am using the 91mm Tomei crank and keeping my RPM limit to 8250. Which should alow me to run the Kelford cams, and also a larger crank motor like mine should make alot of torque to make up for my lack or higher RPM potential.

    The 94-96 G20T gear box I also think will be a perect match for my motor as at 8250 RPMs in 3rd gear I will be able to do 112 MPH. I figure this is the MPH I will get going through the 1/4 mile. So I will be able to do the 1/4 mile in 3 gears. Should be fun.

    Did not think of that, but if going standalone the best priced one I have seem with good features is the Stinger EMS that Manny and Lance used I believe.

    This truly is a good all motor setup with ready available parts except if you need to go ITBs.I think I may have another VE project after my turbo...I had thoughts but did not really look into it.


    With the 20V head I am pretty sure you can find a cross reference from another make. When I was getting my head done the head guy had some extra springs from a Ford and noticed that the VE springs were similar....and it was. Food for thought...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
    I dont think the Calum ECU will work with a true open ITB setup. You will need to go stand alone. Also you will want to get every last bit of tuning from 8000-9000 RPMs which can not be done on a standard Nissan ECU.
    X2. you have to figure out a way to tune the car without a MAF. remember there would be no intake or plenum. everything would be based off throttle position/load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenFenner View Post
    Just musing here but wouldn't it be better for the non-bored guys to go with a head gasket that actually matches the bore size they have instead of leaving what would seem to be an undesired open area between the head and the block?
    You are right but this thread is for the guys who have or will bore their motors.

    If you are at stock bore this gasket is not for you just use a stock VE headgasket from Greg V.
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    Thanks for clearing up the cob webs in my head Andreas.

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    Trust me Dre, when Im ready Im coming to you for that NA build...
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    Quote Originally Posted by boostenb13 View Post
    Trust me Dre, when Im ready Im coming to you for that NA build...
    I will see when you come.


    This setup with trustworth N1 cams will make 250-260 WHP.
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    we just picked up the sleeved block from the machine shop, it looks beautiful, just waiting on the pistons to come in so we can take the block back to the machine shop and have them cut the walls to match the pistons for a tight piston to wall clearance,

    hey miko what would you recommend for a wall clearance. i know you have done several builds. what do you normally go with,
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    Quote Originally Posted by ashtonsser View Post
    we just picked up the sleeved block from the machine shop, it looks beautiful, just waiting on the pistons to come in so we can take the block back to the machine shop and have them cut the walls to match the pistons for a tight piston to wall clearance,

    hey miko what would you recommend for a wall clearance. i know you have done several builds. what do you normally go with,

    I recommend you use whatever the piston company sujests in their instruction. Thats what I go by.
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    besides the cost of the engine, and the extra parts... how much would you charge to build an engine like this Mr. Miko?...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fernando Alday View Post
    besides the cost of the engine, and the extra parts... how much would you charge to build an engine like this Mr. Miko?...
    I charge alot of money, $1200 in labor. You send me the motor I take it apart do what needs to be done and put it back together.
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    soo it'd be something like this:

    Ve engine = $1200
    VE block sleeved = $1000
    92mm 12 to 1 compression Pistons = $650
    Mazwork VE headgasket = $250
    stock rods = $0
    new bearings = $200
    labour= $1200

    total: $4500 dlls... nice...

    1200 for labour i think is a fair price, you obviously know what your doing, your an honorable guy and you're very respected in this forum... i guess i'll have to start saving some money!
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    im basicly doing the same for my friend although im not charging him really anything, i tore down the entire motor, inspected everything, sent it off to the machine shop, did all the ordering of the parts basicly, and once the machine work is done to the block i will be reasembling it all with new bearings, the new pistons on stock rods, new gaskets, new updated chain guide and bannana guide, new water pump, new ve front cover with gspec pulley set, time the motor and finish the entire reassembly. I dont charge my friends a lot to do the work, alot of times its for parts for my car in trade.

    Now people i dont really hang out with much but know and are aquanted with i charge them a fair price, like $350 bucks to change out an 03 EVO clutch and flywheel is a smoking deal compared to anywhere else. the labor alone is over a grand, i get the job done in about 5 hours if i hustle. done a couple... and $350 to change out a headgasket on a Honda S2K that was overheated who knows how many times to where coolant was in every cylinder, i checked over the block surface with a straightedge and same with the head to find any damage, none found so i cleaned all the gunked coolant up and swapped headgaskets and whalla, runs like a champ. I keep my prices fair, like my buddy with this motor i will probably only charge him like $200 for this build, he knows how to put it in, but i will help plus i have to help him by wiring in the SAFC Neo for fine tune and triggering the solenoids which i will wire in a relay to do so. Thats all stuff he doesnt really understand or know how to do.

    But anyways Miko thankyou and yeah i forgot the pistons did come with instructions as far as piston to wall clearances, i will stick to those. Thanks again miko, And if anyone is on the west coast that wants a build done to thier SR20 let me know, i wouldnt mind doing them, again im not going to charge no $200 to you guys, but i can be fair.

    Plus the price the machine shop charged to install the sleeves was $650 here, which with the price of the sleeves comes out to around 1000. which is around the same price as what greg said darton charges, Actually he said it would be more like 1100. but dont quote me, but again if your closer to darton then hell i would go with them being they are the ones that do it all the time. It took our machine shop here a good while to get it finished but it came out really really good. Also if you want just an overbore they charge about $150 to bore and hottank the block. Thats a smoking deal. Ive had them do a couple different items and seen many of the other motors they have done and they are great and the turn around time on just an overbor is pretty fast. So the options are there.
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    What's up Andreas this Kevin with the red (burgandy) sentra. I was wondering who did your machine work to your block. I have to get a block sleeved and bored to 90mm but need a reliable person down here. Sounds like you're going to be putting some good power down. I haven't seen you in a while but I see you're still doing your thing. I have a SR16VVL sitting at my shop and it's begging me to take out the Pulsar motor and put it in. Ill see what this year brings, I might consider putting it in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevwal View Post
    What's up Andreas this Kevin with the red (burgandy) sentra. I was wondering who did your machine work to your block. I have to get a block sleeved and bored to 90mm but need a reliable person down here. Sounds like you're going to be putting some good power down. I haven't seen you in a while but I see you're still doing your thing. I have a SR16VVL sitting at my shop and it's begging me to take out the Pulsar motor and put it in. Ill see what this year brings, I might consider putting it in.

    Send your block to Mazworx, they are doing a great job with sleeved blocks.

    Are you going to turbo this motor?

    If so a 90mm bore motor with a GT35R-GT37R will make 500WHP and 440 Lb Ft torue at about 17 PSI. Dont ask me how I know. My friend who has this motor will be cranking it up to 600WHP and I figure it will be making this power at about 23 PSI. We will see. This is with a stock VE head and N1 intake manifold ported out.
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    would their gasket work on an 87mm bore GTiR block? either that or the cosworth one i will go for if not
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    Thanks. If I do it, it will be turbo but with a little bit smaller turbo. I'll be happy with mid to high 400hp range, i'm not looking to be the top dog. Those motors seem to be the way to go. I'll contact you when I make up my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevwal View Post
    Thanks. If I do it, it will be turbo but with a little bit smaller turbo. I'll be happy with mid to high 400hp range, i'm not looking to be the top dog. Those motors seem to be the way to go. I'll contact you when I make up my mind.

    Go with a GT30R with a .63 or .82 housing. Good for 500WHP. This turbo spools up very fast on a 2L motor so a 2.2L motor being 10% larger should take away any type of lag.
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    guess the biggest issue with this kindda build in mexico would be to find a guy who can sleeve the motor properly, and another guy that can put it together the right way.... seems that you guys in the USA have got sooooo much more options... here you could probably get a not so great sleeving work done for round 1000 dlls!
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    yeah what part of mexico are you in, again the machine shop charged 650 for the sleeving and the sleeves were 330. so yeah it comes out to not even 1000 total, The works was awesome, i will put up pics of the block and the real start to the build maybe tommorrow. The block came out nice. The head is great so just waiting on the smaller stuff to arrive.
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    10.5 @ 149.2mph to date I believe the fastest trap speed SE-R, Much more to come with some changes!

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    i'm in tabasco ashton... the only shops here that could sleeve the engine work with truck engines... so i cannot really trust them that much!!!... im still yet to buy the ve engine and define exactly what kindda setup i want but i'll probably end up having it build on the USA, hope i can count on you guys!!!
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    hell yeah, we know how its done over here, haha, is that closer to the texas border or arizona/california border. i have no clue...haha
    1992 Nissan Sentra SE-R - Fully Built SR20VE, BWS400SX Billet 67mm and much more
    JMS Racing tuned to 716whp, 423wtq at 29psi
    10.5 @ 149.2mph to date I believe the fastest trap speed SE-R, Much more to come with some changes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevwal View Post
    Thanks. If I do it, it will be turbo but with a little bit smaller turbo. I'll be happy with mid to high 400hp range, i'm not looking to be the top dog. Those motors seem to be the way to go. I'll contact you when I make up my mind.
    Pulsar Kevin going VVL????


    Come to the dark side Kev... I am doing a 2.0VVL turbo build. I will be running a GT3071r with my set up.
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    Well, Mario has been telling me to do it for a while. I might give it a try and see the difference. From what I heard, it should be good. The pulsar has been good to me for almost ten years though but you have to try new things sometimes. If it can get me from hi 11's to low 11's, I think it's worth it.
    Last edited by kevwal; 08-10-08 at 08:25 AM.

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    Kevine, have you seen Greg's 4 door B13. I think he is at 509WHP at 22 PSI.

    Go VET, if you are on boost it is the only way to go.

    I will stay NA, I like the challenge of it all. I think staying NA is a thinking mans sport.
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    I sell SR20VE, SR20DE and SR20DET motors

 

 
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