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    Default HowTo - P10/P11 SR20VE Coil On Plug w/ 20V Crank Angle Sensor

    I posted this on G20.net, but I figure others can use this information on an SR20DE motor level. I documented and put this together because I couldn't find a real HowTo setup a Coil on Plug system for the G20 (SR20DE/VE essentially). There is a lot of information (and I do mean A LOT) on SR20forum and the dash, but nothing wrapped up easily into one thread. So here goes, I'm assuming that if you are performing this swap, you know how to do basic wiring and have a system to utilize the CAS and COP systems. I'm also assuming you have a 20V valve cover to match, but I've placed the valve cover and gasket part numbers below as well.

    Big thanks to Charles (Snickers), Ben Fenner (BenFenner), Justin (JustinP10) and Tony Szirka (my tuner and close friend at UMSTuning here in Phoenix, AZ) for helping to get this all pooled together.

    Chassis: P10/P11
    Engine: SR20VE

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    Legends

    ---CAS Wiring Legend:

    • Connector Pinout
      • 1 | Crank Angle Sensor 180* (REF) Signal
      • 2 | Crank Angle Sensor 1* (POS) Signal
      • 3 | Power
      • 4 | Ground

    • Ignition Wiring
      • 5 | Ignition Power


    ---Coil Pack Wiring Legend:
    • IB | Coil Signal
    • G | Ground
    • + | Power


    ---Relay Wiring Legend:
    • 5 | Ignition Power
    • 6 | 12v Constant Power (Battery)
    • 7 | Power to Coil Packs
    • 8 | Ground


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    Wiring Diagrams

    ---Nissan SR20VE 20V Crank Angle Sensor Diagram/Pinout:



    • Pin 60 | Ground
    • Pin 62 | Crank Angle Sensor 1* (POS) Signal
    • Pin 81 | Crank Angle Sensor 180* (REF) Signal
    • Pin 109 | Power


    ---Nissan S15 Coil Pack Diagram/Pinout:


    • Pin 1 | Coil Signal
    • Pin 2 | Ground
    • Pin 3 | Power


    ---Nissan SR20DE Ignition Diagram/Pinout:


    • B/R Wire | Ignition Power



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    Wiring Instructions


    • Cut 8 pin DE harness connector off, remove distributor
    • Connect CAS
    • Use the existing harness wiring to connect the new 20V CAS (see photo and legend for sequence):
      • Use sourced connector (see part numbers for recommended connector)
        • 1 | Crank Angle Sensor 180* (REF) Signal
        • 2 | Crank Angle Sensor 1* (POS) Signal
        • 3 | Power
        • 4 | Ground

    • Cut ignition wire (5) from secondary distributor harness, this will wire/run into power relay
    • Install and wire a relay as follows:
      • 5 | Ignition power (see above image)
      • 6 | 12 volt constant power (to battery)
      • 7 | 12 volt power to coil packs
      • 8 | Ground to chassis

    • Install coil packs into VC
      • Use sourced coil pack connectors
      • Wire coil pack(s) as follows:
        • IB | Coil Signal
        • G | Ground
        • + | 12 volt power (from relay)

    • Wire all coil pack 12 volt constant power together, run to relay wire 7 (see above)
    • Run remaining coil signal (IB) wires to ECU or trigger device


    B13 AEM V1 and V2 Wiring Pinout:


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    Part Numbers


    • Coil Interface Connector | $10 shipped (click here)
    • Coil Pack Connector | $8 shipped (click here)
    • Coil Pack S15 Harness | 24079-91F00 | $46 - $65 (Contact Gspec or click here)
    • Coil Pack (S15) | 22448-91F00 | $35 - $60 shipped (click here or here)
    • Crank Angle Sensor Connector | WRS-CAS-NSN | $10 shipped (click here)
    • Crank Angle Sensor (P12 20V) | 23731-8H60A (New Part Number) | 2371-8H600 (Old Part Number) | $325 - $500 (click here)
    • Four (4) pin relay | 1362A11
    • Valve Cover (20V VVL) | 13264-AW01A | $200 - $300
    • Valve Cover Outer Gasket (20V VVL) | 13270-2J201 | $25
    • Valve Cover Inner Gasket (20V VVL) | 13271-65F00 | $10


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    Connector Photos (for reference)


    • Crank Angle Sensor 4 Pin

    • Coil Pack Connector

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    Final result

    Last edited by cavern; 06-24-14 at 01:10 AM.
     
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    have anybody try to put s15 coil pack on normal sr20ve valve cover?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shady45 View Post
    have anybody try to put s15 coil pack on normal sr20ve valve cover?
    I test fitted but the packs were longer/taller so it didn't seal around the VC spark cylinder holes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cavern View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by shady45 View Post
    have anybody try to put s15 coil pack on normal sr20ve valve cover?
    I test fitted but the packs were longer/taller so it didn't seal around the VC spark cylinder holes.
    ooo........i saw a post about that on d forum that the sr20vet which should be the same as the s15 coil is like 3mm shorter than thespark plug wires

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    Good stuff Jon, hope this is working well with your AEM EMS and the hiccups have gone away. Will give you a buzz this week to talk shop and stuff, may do this on the 94.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blusteelsr20 View Post
    Good stuff Jon, hope this is working well with your AEM EMS and the hiccups have gone away. Will give you a buzz this week to talk shop and stuff, may do this on the 94.
    It cleared all my hiccups up, 0 timing errors (AEMTuner v2.98 has an awesome S15 coil pack wizard to auto set dwell) and my idle is now butter smooth.

    Cool! Give me a shout whenever as always .
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    just a small heads up. Greg can get u the S15 coil pack sub harness to make it super easy to install so u don't have to Pin the connectors your self for the coils. you can also use s14 sub harness you just need to swap 2 wires in the connectors for the coils.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.sentra_specv View Post
    just a small heads up. Greg can get u the S15 coil pack sub harness to make it super easy to install so u don't have to Pin the connectors your self for the coils. you can also use s14 sub harness you just need to swap 2 wires in the connectors for the coils.
    Sweet, didn't know that! Would make it cleaner if your wanting it to look exactly like OEM, I actually just took my time and sourced individual items to keep costs low as well as know where to buy the items if say a clip broke or etc .

    I spent overall $505 for the CAS, Coil Packs, Connectors (4x pack connectors, 1 CAS connector) and relay. If you count the VC, I spent about $650 after everything is/was all said and done.
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    Default Re: HowTo - P10/P11 SR20VE Coil On Plug w/ 20V Crank Angle Sensor

    im doing this with a s13 det ecu and nemu

    I have a complete 20v harness I wss going to use the cas and coil wiring all the way to the ecu.

    is the relay nessesary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pTen View Post
    im doing this with a s13 det ecu and nemu

    I have a complete 20v harness I wss going to use the cas and coil wiring all the way to the ecu.

    is the relay nessesary?

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    I would recommend it, in my mind having clean consistent power is always preferred vs relying on the ECU to send the exact and proper amount of voltage every time through the maze of wiring in the harness. This way you aren't relying on the alternator, accessories being on and off, drag of the car, etc.
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    Im thinking of doing this im just not sure. how much HP can you throw at lets say the S15/20V coils?
    I know the LS coils are good for upto 1000HP..Anyone?
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    If I had to make an educated guess based on how much power the stock coil setup can handle (525-575 WHP with tiny plug gaps) I'd say the simple S15 COP setup is probably good for 600-675 WHP give or take. I have a hard time imagining the LS coils are good for much more. Maybe with 8 of them on an 8 cylinder engine, but not with 4?

    With CDI you can go higher obviously.
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    Default Re: HowTo - P10/P11 SR20VE Coil On Plug w/ 20V Crank Angle Sensor

    $35 for the coils was a typo just tried ordering a set

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    Quote Originally Posted by pTen View Post
    $35 for the coils was a typo just tried ordering a set

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    I bought mine on sale for that price, they go to that price pretty regularly if you watch the site. When they get a new shipment they mark them down to clearance them out.

    Just have to have patience .

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    Quote Originally Posted by cavern View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pTen View Post
    $35 for the coils was a typo just tried ordering a set

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    I bought mine on sale for that price, they go to that price pretty regularly if you watch the site. When they get a new shipment they mark them down to clearance them out.

    Just have to have patience .

    Nah thats not the case, that wasn't a sale price. It was defiantly a typo, i contacted scott who runs the website directly as i was about to buy a big order of them (i am a retailer) that price listed was well under cost price.

    You got lucky to get them at that price, Nissan America doesn't even get them that cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pTen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cavern View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pTen View Post
    $35 for the coils was a typo just tried ordering a set

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    I bought mine on sale for that price, they go to that price pretty regularly if you watch the site. When they get a new shipment they mark them down to clearance them out.

    Just have to have patience .

    Nah thats not the case, that wasn't a sale price. It was defiantly a typo, i contacted scott who runs the website directly as i was about to buy a big order of them (i am a retailer) that price listed was well under cost price.

    You got lucky to get them at that price, Nissan America doesn't even get them that cheap.
    *shrug* okay, I've seen them for that price multiple times.

    From my order:



    I've seen them on the site for $35, $45, $50 and $53.99, I've been watching it for quite some time. If it was a typo, they still honored it.

    Even Google indexed the sale (meaning it was on sale long enough to have Google index the sale), so I think Scott (or whoever was talking to you) may not be giving you the full information:



    And



    http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient...48-91f00+34.99

    Point is, If you look long enough, you'll find deals on them if not, even the $55 advertised on one site and $60 is still better then ebay pricing.
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    Default Re: HowTo - P10/P11 SR20VE Coil On Plug w/ 20V Crank Angle Sensor

    yeah I normally sell them around 50-60ea

    I also have new and used cas in stock aswell as s13 ecus which has 4 ign outputs and can use the simple ecu chips that b13 & p10 use if anyone needs any parts

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    Updated 1st post with a photo of the end result/engine bay shot (its messy due to the wiring shots, will finish looming shortly).
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    as far as power level supported by these coils i have seen a few people on other forums (240sx) that run into problems with them over 450-500 hp. i know i had problems with mine when i ran the 20V valve covers plastic cover. if i drove the car to the track 2 hours the coils would break up a little around 8500-9k rpms during the drag passes. i think this was due to heat soak. after cooling for over 30 min the coils would be super hot and hard to touch. if i left the cover off i never had the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cavern View Post
    Updated 1st post with a photo of the end result/engine bay shot (its messy due to the wiring shots, will finish looming shortly).
    You might find this interesting.

    I just pulled apart my 20v harness, Found a stock 6 Pin relay and what looks like a fuse?

    One of the wires comes from the relay, Splits into 3 two go tothe coil/cas harness (green/white stripe silver dots) and im guessing splits again further up as the same wire is found on each of the coil plugs. Then the last wire goes to one pin of what i think is a fuse?





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    will this work on a nemu b13 ecu?

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    That looks like a capacitor symbol to me.

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    Default Re: HowTo - P10/P11 SR20VE Coil On Plug w/ 20V Crank Angle Sensor

    It is

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    Default Re: HowTo - P10/P11 SR20VE Coil On Plug w/ 20V Crank Angle Sensor

    Quote Originally Posted by turbotank View Post
    will this work on a nemu b13 ecu?
    No it won't you need an ecu with 4 ign outputs last like a s13 ecu which you can put your nemu in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pTen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by turbotank View Post
    will this work on a nemu b13 ecu?
    No it won't you need an ecu with 4 ign outputs last like a s13 ecu which you can put your nemu in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbotank View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pTen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by turbotank View Post
    will this work on a nemu b13 ecu?
    No it won't you need an ecu with 4 ign outputs last like a s13 ecu which you can put your nemu in.

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    I do have s13 sr20det ecus in stock

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    thanks for writeup! for the s15 coils, is it ok for coil signal (pin1) to float when power is on pin 3? I am going to run a ms3 so i wanted to make sure i can power up the ms3 itself and the coils off the same relay. Also, what kind of current do the coils want? I haven't found the specs yet...

    thanku

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    I'm wondering about b14 wiring as there are a few more wires on the dizzy

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    Quote Originally Posted by pTen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cavern View Post
    Updated 1st post with a photo of the end result/engine bay shot (its messy due to the wiring shots, will finish looming shortly).
    You might find this interesting.

    I just pulled apart my 20v harness, Found a stock 6 Pin relay and what looks like a fuse?

    One of the wires comes from the relay, Splits into 3 two go tothe coil/cas harness (green/white stripe silver dots) and im guessing splits again further up as the same wire is found on each of the coil plugs. Then the last wire goes to one pin of what i think is a fuse?





    Interesting! I didn't have one available so I just kind of winged it, ha!

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonb View Post
    thanks for writeup! for the s15 coils, is it ok for coil signal (pin1) to float when power is on pin 3? I am going to run a ms3 so i wanted to make sure i can power up the ms3 itself and the coils off the same relay. Also, what kind of current do the coils want? I haven't found the specs yet...

    thanku
    I'm honestly not sure on both accounts, I just went with recommendations of others on the forum when purchasing the parts for the most "direct" connection so to speak.

    Quote Originally Posted by turbotank View Post
    I'm wondering about b14 wiring as there are a few more wires on the dizzy

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    I would recommend reviewing the B14 wiring harness diagram, I imagine you can just trim out the items you do not need as you are cutting out a section of the mechanical timing.
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    Yea I've been looking and I think I got it

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbotank View Post
    Yea I've been looking and I think I got it

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    Please post what you find cuase im actually gonna do this on my b14 also. Im gonna use the wiring for the 20v harness and the 20v cas.
    Do we need an AEM disk with this, since ill be running an AEM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Re-spect View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by turbotank View Post
    Yea I've been looking and I think I got it

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    Please post what you find cuase im actually gonna do this on my b14 also. Im gonna use the wiring for the 20v harness and the 20v cas.
    Do we need an AEM disk with this, since ill be running an AEM.
    I'm running AEM and yes, you need the AEM trigger disk.
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    im having a problem with the tach being 500rpm off. do we think it has something with the pin2 white ing check wire not being hooked up? i was thinking it could be hooked up to one of the coils some how to help provide a signal to the ecu

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    If u have a b13 there is a small dial on the back of the tach if u take it out of the cluster that u can fix that with. Turn it one way adds rpm to the signal the Guage gets and the other takes rpm off. Idk if that's the same on a b14 dash

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    I so want to do this but I need somebody to dumb down the instructions significantly for me I suck at wiring etc unless its audio related.
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    I kept my B13 dizzy when I did this to my NX.

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    Done deal what is a good time to call you later??
    Once you go turbo you'll never go back!!! :racer:

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    Whenever, lol you know my phone doesnt always ring. @Scrildo When do you plan to get this done?
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    I picked up a S15 coilpack harness from gregv and ordered a plug to wire it up to the engine/ecu harness.
    This picture shows the part number 24079-91F00

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    Quote Originally Posted by unijabnx2000 View Post
    I picked up a S15 coilpack harness from gregv and ordered a plug to wire it up to the engine/ecu harness.
    This picture shows the part number 24079-91F00

    Thank you! I updated my first post, can you let me know the price so I can quote that as well?
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