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    Quote Originally Posted by PEDRONX2k View Post
    hmm...click of a buttone sounds easier....where can i get it!
    You have a basic right? You will need a consult cable and the software. blaZt- OBD software based car cable for Nissan consult and OBDII diagnostics

    Thing is, is it really worth the $100+ price tag for something as simple as setting into timing mode .
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    I replaced the coolant temp sensor. Still cannot get into timing mode ever since I dropped in my new JWT ECU.

    Why? I tried retarding the dizzy to get the idle under 1000 (with TPS DISCONNECTED) and it would go under 1000 but never lock in timing mode.

    I am at my wits end figuring the rain dance out with my JWT ECU.

    This is messed up because I could get into this mode using the same method EASY AS PIE with my G20 ECU.

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    Yep, still having issues.

    I used a consult unit and got into timing mode with my idle under 1000rpm and the timing marks were at 13*, wtf so I bumped it up to 15* and the knock index sensor on my SAFC II freaks out and goes all over the place. (usually it is 25 and under or it will sit at 0) After this, i went back to work with the rain dance!

    I can only see where my timing truly is for about one-half of a second after I disconnect the TPS. So this is what I do now for the stupid rain dance.

    Warm up the car to normal operating temp.
    Disconnect the TPS.
    Rev three times to 3000 RPM.
    Check timing.
    Reconnect TPS.
    Take a reading in one-half second.
    Disconnect TPS.
    Take a reading in one-half second.
    Reconnect TPS.
    Take a reading in one-half second.
    Move dizzy.
    Reconnect TPS.
    Take a reading in one-half second.
    Disconnect TPS.
    Take a reading in one-half second.

    and so forth. I do not know what else to do. My idle is around 1300 RPM when I disconnect the TPS and the timing marks advance themselves way past the last mark (20*) and give me some high, crazy reading with the high idle RPM.

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    great write up and pics.

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    Could it be a bad knock sensor?

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    Please read my posts in this thread:
    timing keeps fluttering while trying to set it

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfddfd2 View Post
    Please read my posts in this thread:
    timing keeps fluttering while trying to set it

    Thanks,
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    My neutral switch does work correctly. I know the pulley is not separated from the balancer inside the pulley.

    I can mess with the IACV screw and drop my idles down but I can do this so much as to make my timing drop as well. What the hell is the point in moving the dizzy when I can screw the IACV all the way down and make my timing correct this way? (see what I mean)

    I am gonna use a Consult unit I think to recheck it.

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    Used a Consult II unit, checked everything. Everything checked ok. Even ran individual test for IACV and it checked OK.

    I went into timing mode, saw that my timing was at 5* degrees BTDC!!! Awesome, that is why the car ran like crap since my last timing debacle. Advanced my dizzy to 15* and that is where it will remain as long as I have a JWT ECU.

    Then I went to adjust the IACV valve and used the work support mode for that as well.

    Hooray consult II. I think it is time for me to get one of those consult cables and just use my laptop to get the car into timing mode.

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    Nice, good to hear you got it figured out . I wish I could get my hands on Consult II. Though having a laptop hooked up is the next best thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vadim View Post
    Nice, good to hear you got it figured out . I wish I could get my hands on Consult II. Though having a laptop hooked up is the next best thing
    I got my desired results, but not in the way I wanted to achieve them. Oh well, like I just said, I got my desired results.

    I gotta ignore what my SAFC II knock index says and just believe that this car runs very well. Now I gotta wait another two weeks for the car to re-learn everything since I re-set the self-learn feature. The consult II is the best and also most expensive and pretty hard to get a hold of. I am glad that my friends at the dealership are willing to let me borrow it as often as I have. This past time I tried to make the most of it and did all the tests and diags that I could.

    Still, I need to find something that I can do that, entirely, on my own. Such as, ECU talk, blAzt cables, or something else to do simple consult work.

    Vadim, what cable did you buy and what software do you use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vadim View Post
    You have a basic right? You will need a consult cable and the software. blaZt- OBD software based car cable for Nissan consult and OBDII diagnostics

    Thing is, is it really worth the $100+ price tag for something as simple as setting into timing mode .
    I got mine off ebay for like $30 shipped or something. Cable works great. Nissan Conzult is free and does timing mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gomba View Post
    I got mine off ebay for like $30 shipped or something. Cable works great. Nissan Conzult is free and does timing mode.

    -G
    That is one good deal. I just searched and found nothing cheaper than the link V listed before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viprdude View Post
    That is one good deal. I just searched and found nothing cheaper than the link V listed before.
    BRAND NEW Nissan Consult Diagnostic Interface tool OBD: eBay Motors (item 180517371888 end time Aug-05-10 16:55:40 PDT)

    $25 shipped. Just get a USB->Serial cable off Ebay too for $1.

    This one is only $18.90 shipped:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Nissa...item2305eb1f68

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    What connection is that? A joy stick or what?

    All the other ones I seen are USB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viprdude View Post
    What connection is that? A joy stick or what?

    All the other ones I seen are USB.
    lol what? DB9 Serial

    That's why I suggested you get a USB to Serial cable unless your laptop is like 6 years old and has a serial port on it
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    Quote Originally Posted by gomba View Post
    lol what? DB9 Serial

    That's why I suggested you get a USB to Serial cable unless your laptop is like 6 years old and has a serial port on it
    Yeah man, that serial port is old as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viprdude View Post
    Yeah man, that serial port is old as hell.
    ya. that's why you get....

    ohh I give up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gomba View Post
    ya. that's why you get....

    ohh I give up.

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    Haha, I understood you previous! Cant I comment on the old serial port? I mean, hell, I still have and use my 286 DOS and it's a piece of shit!

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    So its the same procedure to check the timing on the JWT ecu's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by unijabnx2000 View Post
    So its the same procedure to check the timing on the JWT ecu's?
    Yes, but it depends on what program is loaded onto the ECU.

    The first program I had, I could get into timing mode normally because JWT only raises the idle to stay around 850 and normal base timing.

    The program I have now has the idle at 25* advanced so it sits around 1080-1110.

    I cannot get into timing mode, manually, anymore with my current program.

    That is why I bought a consult cable and found freeware to use with it so I could get into timing mode. It works way better than the rain dance manual mode ever did. One click and it locks, automatically, instantly, into timing mode. I downloaded Nissan Datascan v1.4 for free to accomplish this.

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    so it will be noticeable when the ecu goes into timing mode?
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    Quote Originally Posted by unijabnx2000 View Post
    so it will be noticeable when the ecu goes into timing mode?
    What will be noticeable and using what method? I am sorry but I seeing that as being vague.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viprdude View Post
    What will be noticeable and using what method? I am sorry but I seeing that as being vague.
    After unhooking the tps & rev'ing etc, will it be obvious the car entered timing mode?
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    Quote Originally Posted by unijabnx2000 View Post
    After unhooking the tps & rev'ing etc, will it be obvious the car entered timing mode?
    If you have a timing light and did the procedure correctly and all conditions are met, yes.

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    Quick question. Are those timing marks on page 1 the same for all sr20's (de,det,ve,vet)?
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    For stock pullies, as far as I know, yes.

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    Should be fairly similar. My Roller Rocker P11 doesn't have the white line. I just set it close to the last line to get 19*.
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    Do i rev to 3k exactly? (do i need to hold it there? or will passing 3k mess up the procedure)

    b/c when i tried it, i got 20 degrees (last mark) and i have a jwt ecu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 94SunnyGTSsr20ve View Post
    Quick question. Are those timing marks on page 1 the same for all sr20's (de,det,ve,vet)?
    FYI this is stock VE timing marks.
    OEM VE pulley timing marks. Which is which?

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    Quote Originally Posted by unijabnx2000 View Post
    Do i rev to 3k exactly? (do i need to hold it there? or will passing 3k mess up the procedure)

    b/c when i tried it, i got 20 degrees (last mark) and i have a jwt ecu.
    Just blip the throttle to get up to 3000 and let back off immediately. one, two, three, clap your heels, spin around and your almost there!

    If you have a JWT ECU, you need to tell us what your idle RPM is at when the car is running.

    It is either 15* or 25*. 15* is a stock idle and 25* is an idle that will sit between 1080-1110 RPM.

    My specific JWT has the 25* base idle ignition timing and I cannot use the rain dance method of getting into timing mode easily. I use a consult cable and nissan datascan for this or a nissan consult II unit.

    You should be able to get into timing mode if your base idle is at 15*

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    yeah thanks. On a SR20VE there -5,0,5,10,15,20 right..want to make sure i have right info..iam going to change my spark plugs & do my timing tommarrow morning..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viprdude View Post
    Just blip the throttle to get up to 3000 and let back off immediately. one, two, three, clap your heels, spin around and your almost there!

    If you have a JWT ECU, you need to tell us what your idle RPM is at when the car is running.

    It is either 15* or 25*. 15* is a stock idle and 25* is an idle that will sit between 1080-1110 RPM.

    My specific JWT has the 25* base idle ignition timing and I cannot use the rain dance method of getting into timing mode easily. I use a consult cable and nissan datascan for this or a nissan consult II unit.

    You should be able to get into timing mode if your base idle is at 15*
    I waited to pull the tps and do the revs until after the idle went just under 1k. It would be hard to tell you by the stock tach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unijabnx2000 View Post
    I waited to pull the tps and do the revs until after the idle went just under 1k. It would be hard to tell you by the stock tach.
    I use consult and nissan datascan but there is a clear difference in the idle between the two. (at least to me, it is night and day when I switch between the two, 15* and 25*) But I think that is the map inside the ECU. Nothing mechanical.

    But it is probably right and you are hearing all this for nothing. Well, not nothing, a tad bit of info on the JWT programming but that is it.

    Good luck, I hated doing that method, but dammit, it works.

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    Can I use an OBII scanner to see the timing instead of a timing light??
    ---just to see.....
    I dont have timing light..but..I have an Innova scan tool

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    Quote Originally Posted by 79Rod View Post
    Can I use an OBII scanner to see the timing instead of a timing light??
    ---just to see.....
    I dont have timing light..but..I have an Innova scan tool
    No...buy a timing light. It is like $30 tops and one of the most basic, elementary tools you should have when you play with a car.

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    I'm going to put the link for the discussion of the timing marks for the UR pulley in here.

    UR Crank pulley timing marks question..

    Viprdude I was having the same problem of my idle jumping around a bit every few seconds, advancing the timing. It happened whenever I heard the PAIR valve area start sucking in air. Also, I have no idea what my timing is at now. I set it right back where it was when I checked it pre-dizzy removal (and right where I marked the dizzy and bracket with a line). However, if I did have it properly in timing mode and the link above is correct, then my timing was around 9* and when the pair valve kicked in it was about 17*. I'll drive around a bit and try again, make sure the car is really warmed up. OEM temp gauge was in the middle when I tried this, but my VDO temp gauge was still below 180.
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    And you did have the TPS disconnected and the idle was still jumping around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viprdude View Post
    And you did have the TPS disconnected and the idle was still jumping around?
    Yeah, it was disconnected. While the cluster temp needle was in the middle, I wonder if I had it fully warmed up yet. When I disconnected the TPS the car immediately revved up and then died. It took several starts and revving the engine with the gas pedal to 3-4k rpm to keep it running, then I slowly let the revs drop until I finally settled at idle. And by idle I mean it would roam a bit, around 650-900rpm or so. I'm going out here in a few for an hour drive. I will try it again when I get home and report back, especially now that I know what the timing marks on the UR pulley are.
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    Sounds to me like you got into timing mode correctly. Watch when the engine spikes. I would re plug and un plug the TPS and before it would shoot up in idle, it shows you the correct timing value.

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    After getting the car full warmed up (rad fans kicked on while I was doing it), I got a solid 15* reading off the timing light. It still fluctuated just a tad, but not nearly as bad and not as frequently. So I think I'm good. Thanks for the help and thanks for the great write up V!
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