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    Quote Originally Posted by M0J0 View Post
    Gonna try this on a bone stock SR20DE, what gap should I use? And the numbers mentioned here are in inches? Need to know, cause I need to convert to metric system .
    Stock gap is .039 on coppers, reduce by .010, .029. Though on NA motors I would try .039 on coppers still.

    Quote Originally Posted by nismo94tuner View Post
    I feel like trying this in the morning since I have a long commute. I usually know what I spend in fuel and could see if this helps my car at all. Surprised I haven't seen this till now. Sweet.
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    So properly converted:

    0.039 inches = 0.99 mm?
    That's a small gap

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    Almost one cm, not too small
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    Actually, 0.99 mm is almost 1 mm, and 10 mm is 1 cm .


    Anyways, did this yesterday, and the car runs noticably smoother. Combined it with indexing them.

    Went through 8 plugs though, 4 of them were usable, 100% indexed.

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    Oh crap missed that .

    It doesn't need 100% perfect index. Just make sure the the ground electrode is in 3 O-clock to 9 O-clock area .
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    Wow very nice, I would be curious to actually them out. Though I don't know if it's worth paying almost twice the price per plug.

    I'll take a look and see if I can find some 7e's that would work for us.

    EDIT: I'm kind of liking these actually. http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/product...g.asp?mode=nml

    EDIT 2: Found the Ones that should work for us. Using This Guide, if we match our current plug BKR7E then we will find R5672A-8 (NGK #7173). I did a quick search and it seems to match SR20DET (RWD) which seem to use same BKR's. I'm going to get a set and try them out .
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    Its interesting - those plugs are extremely simialr to the Greddy NGK plugs used for race cars back in the day!

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    Ordered a set from Greg, will be here in a few days

    Edit: Got the plugs from Greg (which btw was super fast). The R5672A-8 (NGK #7173) are regular ground electrode ones. They look the same as the regular V-power plug. I wonder if it's like that because they are V-power plugs (seems impossible to find non V-powered ones).
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    Be very careful when looking and purchasing the Racing plugs, it seems like most of them do not have resistors. Without the resistor you could fry the ignition system.

    I just got off the phone with Greg V and we looked at R5672A-8 (NGK #7173), it does not have a resistor. We also looked at R5671A-7 and it also didn't have a resistor.

    To top it all off, both of those racing plugs have the same ground electrode as regular Coppers. They do not have the "side gapped" ground electrode that we are shooting for.
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    The non-resistor plugs will cause interference with the rest of the ECU and you will get erratic ECU/ignition behavior. I don't think you risk "frying" anything though. Going back to resistor plugs typically solves the problem.

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    One website I saw said that, but I guess it might not be too reliable. Here is one directly from NGK.

    In fact, using a non-resistor plug in certain applications can actually cause the engine to suffer undesirable side effects such as an erratic idle, high-rpm misfire, engine run-on, power drop off at certain rpm levels and abnormal combustion.
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    i got a newb question,.. what u guys mean about the 6Es and 7Es??

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    Heat ranges, the higher the number on NGK's the colder they are.
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    And I can pick these up at any regular autoparts correct?

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    Hard to say, I always get mine online. G Spec Performance has them at $1.50 a pop for OEM ones.
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    ok,.. that sites pretty awesome thanks for the link... so what are the end results?? does everyone who tried this still have a running motor after a year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nismoaniak! View Post
    ok,.. that sites pretty awesome thanks for the link... so what are the end results?? does everyone who tried this still have a running motor after a year?
    You say funny thing . Why wouldn't you ? I ran my turbo motor for more then a year with side-gapped plugs and it worked just fine. My motor gained 7whp on the dyno from regular to sidegapped plugs.
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    haha idk man ive always been the kind of person who doesnt believe something untill its proven,.. so i felt discouraged. i think ill take your word on it and give it a shot.. see what happens. thanks bro

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    Vadim, where did you end up setting the gap at on these? I didnt see it in the thread.
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    Anyone???

    I'm going to do this in the morning for something to do, was hoping I could maybe get a heads up on what you guys set your gap at, I run a t28 @ anywhere from 9-16lbs depending on my mood at the moment.

    Any heads up will be appreciated greatly.
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    I did this. Bought some new NGK's, gapped them to .34 and got 25 mpg the last tank when I usually get 20. The way I was driving I would guess it would of been a 21 mpg tank..
    That's a 4mpg increase that I got

    Last time I got 24 mpg when I went on a long highway drive and was driving 65mph the whole way (4 gears) and this was city and highway, about 40% city 60% highway
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    @red91sr you reduce the gap by .010. But you can try running a bigger gap and it should work fine NA .

    @92SentraSE-R - those are some pretty good gains
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    Yeah I did this back on the 27th of Nov. or something like that, my car has a turdblow BTW. I noticed that after I did it that I had 0 drivability issues with it but that I did start having an issue with a small pop when changing gears, sounded like a tiny backfire issue so I just stuck my old plugs back in. My HIGHLY uneducated guess was that I wasnt achieving complete burn thus causing the small backfire issue???
    And no, I dont remember exactly where I gapped them.
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    thank you for following up on this BTW Vadim!
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    I went ahead and changed the plugs back just to see what kind of mpg's I would get and I got 19mpgs........ lowest I got with the plugs side gapped is 21 driving like crap and lowest with regular plugs driving like crap is 18

    update: Drove about 3 tanks with the old plugs and am getting 18-19mpg's so huge difference. 1/30

    Update: Put the side gapped plugs in after driving about 50 miles with the regulars and ended up getting 24mpg's with driving pretty crappy.. (also seafoamed the crank)

    this is done with only 4 gears, hence the low mpgs
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    Took the plunge today and decided to side-gap the plugs in my DD P10 VE. Gapped them at .039, but I may decrease it a bit to .034. So far the butt dyno does feel a difference.
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    I've been doing this for a couple years now, plus indexing them. Mileage is usually has consistently been 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 mpg better. Driving with '91 na car is cai only. I don't even regap the plugs... using bke 6-11's.

    Congrats to Vadim for one of the simplest and most useful upgrades, ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92SentraSE-R View Post
    I went ahead and changed the plugs back just to see what kind of mpg's I would get and I got 19mpgs........ lowest I got with the plugs side gapped is 21 driving like crap and lowest with regular plugs driving like crap is 18

    update: Drove about 3 tanks with the old plugs and am getting 18-19mpg's so huge difference. 1/30

    Update: Put the side gapped plugs in after driving about 50 miles with the regulars and ended up getting 24mpg's with driving pretty crappy.. (also seafoamed the crank)

    this is done with only 4 gears, hence the low mpgs
    Nice! That's a nice bump in MPG's , from a "free" mod

    Quote Originally Posted by SER96VSPEC View Post
    Took the plunge today and decided to side-gap the plugs in my DD P10 VE. Gapped them at .039, but I may decrease it a bit to .034. So far the butt dyno does feel a difference.
    NA I would keep them at .039. Trick is to run the biggest gap possible without blowout.

    Quote Originally Posted by nogo View Post
    I've been doing this for a couple years now, plus indexing them. Mileage is usually has consistently been 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 mpg better. Driving with '91 na car is cai only. I don't even regap the plugs... using bke 6-11's.

    Congrats to Vadim for one of the simplest and most useful upgrades, ever.

    Mark
    What led me to this mod is, the Bosch +2 plugs. They don't have a ground electrode that blocks the flame front at the bottom of the plug. Bosch plugs did great on gas mileage, but lasted only 20k miles and cost twice as much as regular coppers. Thus when I found the side gaping trick I was super happy to see my MPG's go up too.

    I have another tutorial for indexing. I might just combine them together to save the searching for people .

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    Trying this out with single platinum spark plugs.



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    Well I went for it. I just found this thread earlier today. I side gapped, and indexed my plugs to .36, and it runs much better. I had alot of missing below 3k. I found out my wires were bad so I replaced them about a week and a half ago. That got rid of most of it. Before that I replaced my my Iridium IX NGKs with a set of BKR6Es to see if it would help, but was the same. Since I did this today though it's running like a champ. Before this when decelerating in gear the exhaust note would sound real poppy and gargling. That is gone as well. This was by far one of the most worth while things I've done with my free time

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    Great to hear. I've been having pretty good luck myself. I think I will try try to down the gap though, it's at .044 side gapped, but the car runs fairly well still.
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    Hey that's good man. After a few days of driving it still feels good. 44 is the stock gap, so you're running that on a side gap? Thought you're supposed to take 10 off? With the 39 I'm running it's only 5 off, but I'm NA. I like mine where it's at. It feels awesome. You should try that.

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    I have been keeping up with this and this def looks like something i am gonna try. Gonna be ordering plugs for my ve through greg. any suggested plugs for this?
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    Depending on your driving habits get your desired heat range. I Used the cheapo V-power plugs. Really if you side gap and index it makes any cheap plug perform way better. I used the BKR6E

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    Quote Originally Posted by tswii View Post
    Hey that's good man. After a few days of driving it still feels good. 44 is the stock gap, so you're running that on a side gap? Thought you're supposed to take 10 off? With the 39 I'm running it's only 5 off, but I'm NA. I like mine where it's at. It feels awesome. You should try that.
    Yup the article I read said to reduce it by 10. I'm experimenting though, the idea is to run the largest gap without blowout. I'm not boosted on my dd, so figured it would worth a shot .

    Quote Originally Posted by patinthehat View Post
    I have been keeping up with this and this def looks like something i am gonna try. Gonna be ordering plugs for my ve through greg. any suggested plugs for this?
    VE uses a little different plugs from DE's, but externally they should be same as the DE ones thus should be side gappable.
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    Ya I got ya. The 39 I'm runnin works out great. It's only 5 more that suggested. I suppose if you run MSD you can really gap it out.

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    Did a test while on a roadtrip, my old BKR7E sidegapped plugs did 32mpg on a trip with main speed at 75mph. While the brand new BKR6E-N stock plugs did 28mpg at the same speeds.

    Side gapped the new BKR6E-N's and got 32mpg too, and 34mpg at 70mph.
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    So how did it go with sidegapping the platinums? Worth it? I want to know which would be best for VE N/A with MSD in terms of side gap, gap and well, index (should be good for all).
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