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    Default Need help with clutch install: shifter is wrong position ?

    Never had this problem before. It's a 98 SE-R w/ a B15 trans swap from years ago. Over the weekend @SE-RMonkey and I installed a brand new Exedy clutch. We ran out of time and so earlier today I put everything back together. Everything looked normal from underneath - except the physical location of the shifter in the cabin. This is the gear shift in NEUTRAL:



    Basically, it sits somwhere around 2nd gear when in neutral. And yes, the shift linkage in this photo was physically bolted up underneath. That ain't right. I tried driving it around the block and could only get it into first gear, it grabbed fine, but that's all and I barely made it back home.

    Again it's a B15 trans and it does have a B&M short shifter, but that was installed for years and never gave me a problem. Before this new clutch job the shifter was completely normal.

    I just tried unbolting the linkage underneath at the transmission, and pulling the fork out and rebolting it, unbolting it and pushing the fork all the way in toward front of car and rebolting it, but nothing has made a difference. The shifter still sits way off in the cabin like the photo above.

    Everything else looks fine. Trans appears to be lined up properly with both the front and rear mounts, I really am at a loss. Anyone?
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    Heres a photo of the trans/gearbox after the clutch install (axles weren't in yet) - you can see it sits normal & flush:



    And the shift linkage bolted up from underneath:



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    so @speedricer told me that when installing a B15 trans in a B13/B14 you need to use the P11 shift linkage and grind it down - however this car came with the B15 trans already installed when I bought it from another member here- and I never had a problem with the shifting until this clutch install..
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    Check to make sure you bolted the rear motor mount bracket / rear motor mount correctly. Only thing i can think of that would cause that.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm88000 View Post
    so @speedricer told me that when installing a B15 trans in a B13/B14 you need to use the P11 shift linkage and grind it down - however this car came with the B15 trans already installed when I bought it from another member here- and I never had a problem with the shifting until this clutch install..
    Not to mention it was fine before. Something is most definitely out of alignment. Question is, what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by daveracer View Post
    Check to make sure you bolted the rear motor mount bracket / rear motor mount correctly. Only thing i can think of that would cause that.
    Posting pics of the mount in a few min. Maybe you can take a look at it and see if it looks wrong
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    Ok, now besides the missing bolt on the top right and pass axle out (which of course I have since replaced) - does this look right/wrong to anyone? Starter was out as well

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    Its prob not your issue since it was already installed, but correction to my statement, I said you use the P11 linkage for a Plug and Play setup, but if you are still using the B14 linkage you would have to grind it down for it to clear/work. Not that you would have to grind the P11 linkage. I'm assuming he used the P11 linkage as I do not see any ground area.
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    Ohh ok gotcha. My bad

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    How do you and only you keep running into the strangest of issues?


    Have you tried looking under car while someone else moves the shifter to determine where the issue is?

    What all was taken apart as far as shift linkage is concerned for the clutch job? The linkage and stabilizer on the trans were the only thing you have disconnected for this job. Anything more than that and you probably goofed.
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    No since Todd left Saturday I put it together myself. Haven't had anyone else here to help.

    I removed both the shift linkage and shifter stabilizer bar to remove the gearbox.

    And to answer your other question why I keep running into these dumb problems, it's because I'm a dope. Lol
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    Besides the 1 miss g bolt you mentioned, there are 2 other bolts that go in that bracket, a short one in the hole inside of the hole (yes I meant to say it that way) and another longer one down lower, if your missing those then your engine an trans are tilting towards the firewall, which will put your shifter back and make it hard to shift.. similar to when we crack our bell housings lol..

    From the pics that's what appears to be happening..

    Do this.. put the Jack under the rear of the trans by the firewall and Jack up a little at a time, if the engine goes up freely you will probably notice the shifter going back into place an then be able to shift it.. then put those damn bolts in, they aren't "extras"
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    Got it. Thanks Lynch. I will mess with it when the weather clears up.
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    How s the weather coming? Lol

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    It sucks here. Rainy and kinda cold. I'll be out there tomorrow tho either way

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    Lol. Now that I think of it, one time the cross member broke when I let my friend drive the car (he dumped the clutch pulling into traffic w the fx500) and the shifter physically moved a little until Todd and I fixed it. So it makes perfect sense about your theory
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    Yeah hopefully it's something simple..

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    Jordan,
    Your problem is not as unusual as some may think. I had a similar thing happen to my blue NX I had. It actually happened while I was driving. The middle bolt on the rear mount (the one you can't see and is harder to get to) stripped out and fell out. That's all it took for the car to be stuck in second gear because everything shifted that much. Hard to believe, but true. I'm pretty sure it put enough stress on the other two bolts around it that they might have loosened. Was a long time ago so can't remember exactly.
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    Thanks Ian!

    Ok so I slowly jacked up the trans with the shift linkage connected. After about an inch, the shifter in neutral now sits MUCH closer to normal. I just have to get under there tomorrow to physically put in the bolts
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    Also, if the trans is missing the dowel/guide pin in the case this can lead to bad JooJoo ... but it sounds like your issue has been resolved theoretically

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    Quote Originally Posted by lynchfourtwenty View Post
    So what do I win?
    Sorry, I said it first but...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SE-RMonkey View Post
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    So what do I win?
    Sorry, I said it first but...
    Sorry but u said something was out of alignment, which was quite obvious, I called the bolts being the issue, if that is indeed the issue..

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    Quote Originally Posted by lynchfourtwenty View Post
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    Sorry, I said it first but...
    Sorry but u said something was out of alignment, which was quite obvious, I called the bolts being the issue, if that is indeed the issue..




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    Haha you guys..

    Ok so I realigned the rear mount bracket and inserted the missing long 14mmbolt, the shifter was in the correct place and the car drove fine around the block in gears 1-3 but still felt a little "loose" - and that's prob because there is one short 14mm bolt that I can't find where it goes
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    It goes in the hole, inside of the hole.. I know it's hard to get your ahead in there to see it..

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    Hmm. I just texted Ray Kawski and he said "The short 14 goes inside the motor mount at rear."

    I'll keep looking, thanks Lynch
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    There is a round hole inside the oval hole

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    Does it matter that this is a B15 trans
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    Not to my knowledge..

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    So there's only one bolt that goes inside the oval hole? The 98 Sentra SE FSM shows 2 in there. Stupid FSM.

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    one long 14 missing in that picture he posted and one short 14 inside the oval that he also doesnt have. So yes there are two bolts
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    That bracket has a total of 4 on a b13 see for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by lynchfourtwenty View Post
    It goes in the hole, inside of the hole.. I know it's hard to get your ahead in there to see it..
    Josh got it!

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    So the bolts are all in except that short 14mm. Still can't find it.

    The shifter is in the correct position. I Drove it around the block, it shifts fine, but it sounds messed up. It shifts fine into gear but it has this rhymatic sound, almost like coming from the passenger side as your moving and you can feel it move around down below each time you hear the sound

    Damnit
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    Make sure the axle nuts are tight? What about the 3 12mm pass axle carrier bolts? Strut bolts are tight assuming u used that method rather than fucking up your ball joint?

    That short 14 loves to fall an get stuck inside the hole.. best to find a new one an leave it for the next time the trans is out lol, unless you wanna take it all back apart..

 

 

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