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    Default Opinions on rear swaybar for the b14 ?

    So, i got new shocks ( GR2's ) on the 200sx and it handles fairly good. But my last car was a BMW and i really miss the handling feel of that car.

    The B14 seems to have a far less complex rear suspension. I'm beginning to wonder if this will be a bottleneck to handling greatness.

    I'm looking at a progress rear sway bar:

    95-99 Nissan Sentra Rear anti-roll bar Progress Technology: Anti-roll bars, sport springs, coil-overs, camber kits and more since 1995!

    Any opinions on these? i'm really intrigued. I'm starting to wonder if this is a missing link.. and could compensate for the subpar rear suspension action of the B14.
    '96 200sx SE-R, 5speed, 220kmi - stock, with too many new OEM parts to list.. going for creampuff status

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    All these threads could have been answered by looking in the giant suspension thread Shawn B made.

    B14's understeer badly. The only way to correct this without bending the beam back to zero degrees is by stiffening the hell out of the rear.

    Leave the front stock and get a rear Progress Sway bar. Get a rear strut brace bar. Since you have GR2's and not AGX's you cannot adjust the shock rebound and compression so focus on connecting the entire rear together with the sway bar and strut tower bars.

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    I read the thread. He didn't say anything about b14 swaybars And the rear swaybar designs for this car look a little hackish so i thought i'd ask.

    Hm, so stiffening the rear will make up for the toe adjustment ( to some degree ), huh? That's good to hear. Yeah, this car seems to understeer more than my Hondas..

    Anyone have experiences with this swaybar?
    '96 200sx SE-R, 5speed, 220kmi - stock, with too many new OEM parts to list.. going for creampuff status

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    Quote Originally Posted by neptronix View Post
    Hm, so stiffening the rear will make up for the toe adjustment ( to some degree ), huh? That's good to hear. Yeah, this car seems to understeer more than my Hondas..
    Stiffening the rear with a sway bar won't make up for how much the toe is in. It will simply stop the entire chassis and suspension from flexing, leading to less understeer.

    You stiffen the opposite end of what end is slipping. Since our FWD B14's understeer like a bitch, we gotta stiffen the rear to try to negate the understeer effect and reinforce the entire chassis and rear suspension. (making is stiffer!)

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    Rear progress sway bar is the way to go!
    Best sway bar for b14!

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    hey Nep...you're in the Portland area? i'd suggest a putt to SoCal to get the beam bent. here's why...
    1. a cool road ride with some side trips thrown in (coast)
    2. for the ~$200, or so, Darrin charges, you'll end up with a better handling b14 than any sway bar can attempt to fix.
    3. less weight because you won't be adding unneeded additional unsprung weight (steel) to your suspension.
    4. no spending $$ on a sway bar you don't need.
    5. the b14 chassis is not the flexi-flyer that the b13 is. so you can avoid the $$ and weight of the rear strut tower bar also.
    6. the grin on your face the 1st time you take a familiar corner (or set of corners) at near its previous potential and feeling the car can do MUCH more...confidently! PRICELESS!!
    do it. you won't be sorry.

    p.s. getting there/back is easy with a GPS.
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    Someone needs to bring and KEEP beam bending over here on the east coast....

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    Teal.. good point. But it is gonna cost me about $200 in gas to get there. Then i have to pay for hotels. It just really adds up.

    I wish i could just ship my beam out there. We need to find someone who will do mail order beam bending! that is.. if it detaches from the car without epic struggle.. O_O

    So ultimately it would cost me ~$500 to drive down there and have that done. And 3 days of my time. I'm just thinking.. can't i put $500 into the suspension and have similar results?

    f***ing Nissan for cursing us with this :P..

    I'm glad we don't need strut tower bars..
    '96 200sx SE-R, 5speed, 220kmi - stock, with too many new OEM parts to list.. going for creampuff status

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    Quote Originally Posted by neptronix View Post
    Teal.. good point. But it is gonna cost me about $200 in gas to get there. Then i have to pay for hotels. It just really adds up.

    I wish i could just ship my beam out there. We need to find someone who will do mail order beam bending! that is.. if it detaches from the car without epic struggle.. O_O

    So ultimately it would cost me ~$500 to drive down there and have that done. And 3 days of my time. I'm just thinking.. can't i put $500 into the suspension and have similar results?

    f***ing Nissan for cursing us with this :P..

    I'm glad we don't need strut tower bars..
    Adding sway bars and strut bars wil never be close to what a properly bent rear beam would give you. A B14 with a bent beam will out handle a B13 with stock setups on both cars. That rear just needs to trail, nothing else, it handles no power and does not turn. This idea is the reason Mike Kojima used the B14 for his Dog I and Dog II cars. The rear allows no adjustment because nothing needs adjusted. Everything is static. Once the rear is bent, B14's handle extremely well and predictable. He uses a B15 now for racing and that still has the beam back there.

    It truly is a paradox on what to do.

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    x2 on the bent beam. While you are waiting, the Progress bar set at full stiff will give you the best help. Use the stock front bar with ES bushings and end links for crisper response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old guy View Post
    x2 on the bent beam. While you are waiting, the Progress bar set at full stiff will give you the best help. Use the stock front bar with ES bushings and end links for crisper response.
    ^ You just read my mind. That is what I want to do so badly to make my car handle properly.

    Front, stock bar with ES bushings/links.

    Rear, bend the beam, after that add the Progress sway bar to full stiff.

    Amazing how you literally scanned my brain and typed up that response. And you are two years older than my dad. I bet you two would have some fun stories to tell...

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    One of the best investments on my b14 was getting a rear bar and getting the rear beam bent. A lot of people chalk the ST bar up... but i actually like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XxToKeSxX View Post
    One of the best investments on my b14 was getting a rear bar and getting the rear beam bent. A lot of people chalk the ST bar up... but i actually like it.
    Everyone will say that bending that beam is the best. I need to get it done. Lifelong dream status. I need to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viprdude View Post
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    Rear, bend the beam, after that add the Progress sway bar to full stiff.
    only if you want massive over-steer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teal97 View Post
    only if you want massive over-steer.
    Tell that to tokes, he actually has the combo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teal97 View Post
    only if you want massive over-steer.
    I have the set up with Hyperco springs and AGX struts. At 3/4 stiff on the Progress bar, I could still feel a little push (that's NASCAR speak for understeer). I set the bar to full stiff but have not had a chance to run it hard. New tires on the way, so I'll see what happens at the next track event.

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    Progress is the way to go for a RSB. I had mine on 3/4 stiff and could get lift oversteer! But I had front and strut tower bars and whiteline 4pt underbrace.

    Also the rear beam bending is great but the B14 can still benefit from additional torsional rigidity in the rear by adding a rear sway bar.

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    This thread has turned into good knowledge from experience with others and I enjoy reading it. I would love for some of this info to hit in Shawn B's thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viprdude View Post
    Tell that to tokes, he actually has the combo!
    Quote Originally Posted by Old guy View Post
    I have the set up with Hyperco springs and AGX struts. At 3/4 stiff on the Progress bar, I could still feel a little push (that's NASCAR speak for understeer). I set the bar to full stiff but have not had a chance to run it hard. New tires on the way, so I'll see what happens at the next track event.
    granted every setup is different and will react different.
    on my setup (tein ss/stock front sway/NO rear sway,~-.10* front camber/rt615's) the first corner (lift throttle) on the outside road course at 08 vegas convention the rear was coming around. later as the tires warmed it became a matter of using the throttle to understeer/oversteer.
    when my car goes back together i'm gonna have the front camber set to -1.5*. plus i re-installed the st rear swaybar i've had hanging around for the past 8 yrs or so. if i end up doing 360's on my first road (test) ride i'll ship some of the crap from my shorts free to anyone/anywhere
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teal97 View Post
    plus i re-installed the st rear swaybar i've had hanging around for the past 8 yrs or so. if i end up doing 360's on my first road (test) ride i'll ship some of the crap from my shorts free to anyone/anywhere
    If you are serious, dibs. That is some hilarious stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viprdude View Post
    This thread has turned into good knowledge from experience with others and I enjoy reading it. I would love for some of this info to hit in Shawn B's thread.
    I hear he's got some time on his hands.. ha ha..

    Yeah, very informative.
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    Get the beam bent. The car sucks without it even with a big rear bar. I actually like the Stillen bar simply because it is the largest diameter rear sway on the market for the B14. The Progress is also a very nice bar in the event the Stillen is not for you.

    Even with the beam bent the car NEEDS a sway bar. I am not sure there is such a thing as too much oversteer in a FWD car. There is uncontrollable snap oversteer that is caused by shoddy setup or poor driving inputs, but rotation is a good thing in a FWD car if you can get it!

 

 

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